Showing posts with label origin of the Bible. Show all posts
Showing posts with label origin of the Bible. Show all posts

Thursday, September 18, 2025

Which Came First: The Church Founded by Christ or the Bible?

Oral teaching existed long before the bible
Discover the historical and biblical truth: Did the Bible come before the Church, or did the Church founded by Christ give us the Bible? Learn from Scripture, the Early Church Fathers, biblical scholars, and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.


Introduction

One of the most debated questions between Catholics and Protestants is this:
Which came first—the Church founded by Christ or the Bible?

Many Protestants hold to Sola Scriptura (Bible alone) as the foundation of faith. But history and Scripture itself show that the Church came first, and only later did the Bible—compiled and canonized by the same Church—come into existence.

Understanding this truth is essential to grasping the authority of the Church, the reliability of Scripture, and the unity of Christian faith.


1. The Church Came First: Founded by Christ

  • Jesus did not write a book. Instead, He established a Church:

    “And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.” (Matthew 16:18)

  • The Church existed at Pentecost (Acts 2:1-4) when the Holy Spirit descended and the Apostles began preaching.

  • At this time, the New Testament had not been written yet—only the Old Testament Scriptures existed.

Thus, the living Church came before the written New Testament.


2. When Was the New Testament Written?

  • The New Testament books were written between c. AD 50–100.

  • The earliest letters of Paul (1 Thessalonians, Galatians) were around AD 50–55.

  • The Gospels were written later:

    • Mark: c. AD 65–70

    • Matthew: c. AD 70–80

    • Luke: c. AD 80–90

    • John: c. AD 90–100

During this entire time, the Church was already teaching, baptizing, celebrating the Eucharist, and evangelizing, based on oral tradition handed down by the Apostles (2 Thessalonians 2:15).


3. Who Compiled the Bible?

  • The Bible did not “fall from heaven.” It was the Catholic Church that determined which writings were inspired.

  • The Council of Rome (AD 382) under Pope Damasus I, followed by Hippo (AD 393) and Carthage (AD 397, 419), listed the canonical books of the Old and New Testament.

  • This canon matches the Catholic Bible today, including the Deuterocanon (which Protestants later removed in the 16th century).

As St. Augustine declared:

“I would not believe in the Gospel myself if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.” (Against the Epistle of Manichaeus, 5:6)


4. Early Christian Practices Before the Bible

  • Early Christians relied on the teaching authority of the Apostles and their successors (bishops).

  • The Didache (c. AD 70) shows Church order, sacraments, and prayers being practiced decades before the New Testament canon was finalized.

  • St. Ignatius of Antioch (c. AD 110), a disciple of John the Apostle, emphasized obedience to bishops as successors of the Apostles.

This proves that faith was preserved by the Church’s living Tradition before the Bible was fully assembled.


5. Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) on Church and Bible

  • CCC 120: The Church is the one who discerned the canon of Scripture.

  • CCC 131: Scripture is vital, but within the living Tradition of the Church.

  • CCC 80–82: Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture together form one sacred deposit of faith, entrusted to the Church.

 


6. Comparison Table

QuestionProtestant View (Sola Scriptura)Catholic View (Sacred Tradition + Scripture)
Which came first?The Bible is supreme authority.The Church (founded by Christ) existed before the New Testament.
Authority of BibleSelf-authenticating, interpreted individually.Declared inspired by the Church guided by the Holy Spirit.
TraditionRejected as human invention.Accepted as Apostolic Tradition, preserved alongside Scripture.
Canon of BibleFinalized in 16th century (Reformation rejected Deuterocanon).Finalized by Catholic councils in 4th century.

 

7. Why This Matters

  • Without the Church, there would be no Bible, since it was the Church who discerned and preserved it.

  • To separate the Bible from the Church is to deny the very authority that gave us the Bible.

  • The true Church founded by Christ is therefore both guardian of Scripture and interpreter of Scripture, ensuring unity of faith.


Conclusion

The answer is clear:

πŸ‘‰ The Church founded by Christ came first.
The Bible was written later, collected, and canonized through the authority of the Church guided by the Holy Spirit.

Therefore, the true Christian faith is not based on Bible alone, but on the living Church of Christ, with both Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition faithfully transmitted through Apostolic succession.

 


Wednesday, September 3, 2025

Which Came First: The Bible or the Church? The Truth About “Bible Alone” Doctrine

Did Jesus give us the Church or the Bible first? Discover the truth about the origin of Scripture, why the Church predates the Bible, and how the doctrine of “Bible Alone” arose centuries later. Supported by Scripture, Early Church Fathers, scholars, and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.


Introduction

A common question in Christian apologetics is: Which came first, the Bible or the Church? Many Protestants claim that the Bible is the sole authority for faith (Sola Scriptura). Yet, history and Scripture show that Jesus Christ founded the Church first — not the Bible. The Church, guided by the Holy Spirit, gave us the Bible.

This article explores the biblical, historical, and theological evidence for the primacy of the Church, the origin of the Bible, and the rise of the “Bible Alone” doctrine.


1. Jesus Christ Founded the Church, Not the Bible

“You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.” (Matthew 16:18)

  • Jesus did not write a single book of the New Testament.

  • Instead, He established a living, teaching authority — the Church.

  • The Apostles preached orally (cf. 2 Thess. 2:15) for decades before a single New Testament book was written.

Thus, the Church existed and functioned for nearly 400 years before the Bible was formally compiled.


2. The Bible Came from the Church

  • The Old Testament was already recognized by Jews, but with varying lists.

  • The New Testament was written between 50–100 AD, but not collected as a single “Bible” until the 4th century.

  • The Catholic Church, through the Councils of Rome (382), Hippo (393), and Carthage (397, 419), determined which writings were inspired.

CCC 120: “It was by the apostolic Tradition that the Church discerned which writings are to be included in the list of the sacred books.”

Without the Church, there would be no Bible as we know it today.


3. The Early Christians Did Not Practice “Bible Alone”

  • For the first centuries, most Christians were illiterate and Scripture was not widely available.

  • They relied on the oral teaching, liturgy, and authority of bishops.

  • The Bible was always read within the Church, not apart from it.

St. Irenaeus (c. 180 AD):
“It is within the power of all, therefore, in every Church, who may wish to see the truth, to contemplate clearly the tradition of the Apostles manifested throughout the whole world.” (Against Heresies, 3.3.1)

St. Augustine (c. 397 AD):
“I would not have believed the Gospel had not the authority of the Catholic Church moved me.” (Contra epistolam Manichaei, 5)


4. The Doctrine of “Bible Alone” (Sola Scriptura)

  • The idea that the Bible is the sole authority in faith and morals was not taught by Christ or the Apostles.

  • It originated with Martin Luther in the 16th century Reformation (c. 1517).

  • Luther also removed seven books (the Deuterocanonicals) from the Old Testament, breaking with the ancient canon.

CCC 82: “Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with equal sentiments of devotion and reverence.”

Thus, “Bible Alone” is a man-made doctrine, absent in the early Church.


5. Biblical Evidence Against “Bible Alone”

  • 2 Thess. 2:15 – “Stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.”

  • 1 Tim. 3:15 – “The Church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.”

  • John 21:25 – Not everything Jesus said and did is written.

The Bible itself points to the authority of the Church and Sacred Tradition.


6. Comparison Table: Bible Alone vs. Church & Bible

Aspect“Bible Alone” (Sola Scriptura)Catholic Teaching
FounderMartin Luther (16th c.)Jesus Christ (1st c.)
AuthorityBible onlyBible + Tradition + Magisterium
Canon of ScriptureDisputed (66 books)Universal until 16th c. (73 books)
Early Christian PracticeUnknownRelied on bishops, liturgy, oral teaching
Scripture InterpretationIndividual, privateWithin the Church, guided by Holy Spirit
CCC TeachingRejectedCCC 82, 120, 1384 affirm Church authority

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